richard yates

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1:12 AM me: i was hoping you'd say tomorrow

  im tird

1:13 AM Yishu: oh, then let's do it tomorrow

  no rush

 me: do you have like

 Yishu: should we plan what we're going to say first though

 me: things in mind

 Yishu: i feel stressed

 me: haha yes

 Yishu: yeah, no.

 me: he says to talk about ry OR tao

  so like

  keep on topic

  and all will be good

 Yishu: hm

 me: remember to link back to the question

 Yishu: do we do it seriously or what

  lol

 me: 'link back to the question'

1:14 AM huh seriously

  what would that entail idgi

 Yishu: idk

  or do we have to try to be like, 'humorous'

  or 'zany'

 me: guess not

  'act natural' i think

  now?

  U RDY

 Yishu: now??

  I'M SCARED

  :(

 me: k wait ah

1:15 AM http://heheheheheheheeheheheehehe.com/2010/07/3x-contest-re-richard-yates.html

  using the following as reference: internet, official site, HTMLGIANT review/coverage of this blog post, Alt Report, Fishkind review, author description, Justin Taylor, [anything], [coverage "generated" by this blog post, listed above].

  have you read like, some of this

 Yishu: damn

  must do research all

  k let me prepare first

  let's do it tomorrow then

1:16 AM me: eh no la

  sian

  i was so ready

  we can just talk about sfaa i think

  good thing weve read his stuff

  mm and cbt

 Yishu: hm

  idk

 me: talk about falling asleep via e e e

 Yishu: feel scared

 me: .

  stop that

 Yishu: of tao judging me

  what stop that

 me: same

 Yishu: how to stop

  i also want to stop

1:17 AM me: you can do this shupes you have to believe in yourself

   

Yishu: what the

  haha

1:18 AM no, let's do it tomorrow

 me: sian

  ok

 Yishu: k

 me: have you read any richard yates

 Yishu: naw

  where?

 me: as in the real yates

1:19 AM Yishu: no

1:20 AM Yishu: you called eve's blog godspot

  hahahahahahahahhahahahaa

 me: was that in an sms

  heheh i liked it too

 Yishu: good job, honestly

1:22 AM me: thanks

  idk how we are going to talk about ry

  without knowing about about ry

 Yishu: we can talk about how we don't know ry, i guess

  i don't think it cares

  it might add to the plot

  it matters*

1:23 AM me: ok

  CAN WE JUST DO IT NOW

  srs its just 500 lines bro

1:24 AM Yishu: THATS LIKE FUCKING LONG RIGHT

 me: and we can add some of this shit

  building suspense

 Yishu: hm

 me: hi zhou yishu

  let's talk about Richard Yates

 Yishu: am i allowed to use like, singaporean colloquialism in here, or would he not get it

  cos i want to say 'sian'

1:25 AM me: yes you can, there were some danish people writing like i have no idea what and he accepted it

  guess you have to explain 'sian' then

  hi tao, 'sian' is a regional interpretation of ennui

 Yishu: k cool, but how to explain

  ok

  i feel like he is here, beside us

  judging

 me: he is

1:26 AM Yishu: feel intimidated

 me: omg there was this dude in my class called tao yi

  he was 'chen tao yi'

 Yishu: is this all going into the official 500 lines

 me: i just thought 'chen tao lin'

  yes

  ok richard yates, bro

 Yishu: but your tao yi was irrelevant

  ok

 me: we don't know anything about it really

 Yishu: sorry

 me: i know theres dakota fanning and that haley joel osment or something

  joel haley osment

  osment haley joel

1:27 AM Yishu: some dude i guess

  discuss the significance of naming in the novel richard yates by tao lin

 me: i just googled him i hate this dude :/ i thought it was the anakin from the star wars where he lost his legs to obi wan

  ok

 Yishu: isn't anakin ewan

 me: tao talked about this in the rumpus comment question thing

1:28 AM bro, gregor was obi wan

  or cockroach

 Yishu: oh dude

  sorry

  oh i know who he is npw

  his face swimmed to the surface of my memory

1:29 AM me: he has a cute face

 Yishu: he kind of looks like hannah montana's brother from hannah montana but let's not go there

 me: here: http://therumpus.net/2009/09/the-surface-of-things-the-rumpus-interview-with-tao-lin/#comment-27531

 Yishu: ok, i feel like the use of celebrity names is somewhat ironic

1:30 AM me: yes let's not go there it has nothing to do with ry, stay on topic bro

  ironic how

 Yishu: because, when reading about the characters with names such as these

  you will have preconceived notions of the characters what, somewhat

1:31 AM me: can you not write like you are writing to eka, you're writing totally unchill'dly bro

  mm yes, 'method', effect?

 Yishu: i couldn't help it

1:32 AM naming, is that it

 me: hahaha are you taking this from a wss lecture

  mm i'm reading his answer hold on

1:34 AM i guess tao being tao the 'main reason' for naming ry like so is because he feels some strange affinity to richard yates

 Yishu: or maybe he has something to prove

1:35 AM me: and then there's the meta-ness that tao loves, in his sarcastic worldview re everything

 Yishu: i feel like there is always, like, a cultural reference

 me: but even this?

 Yishu: first in sfaa and now this

  yes what, he says himself that people who like richard yates would be interested in his book

1:37 AM me: i think like second to his love for yatesie it's what you said: like it comes with preconceived notions about it, like presenting an image, 'ice mountain', 'something zany', it forces upon you whatever notions/ideas/feelings you have associated with it

  yes that's the 'marketing' part i guess

  i like to think that tao is still a more than not authentic person

1:38 AM Yishu: that's like reader-response theory

  via my IS

 me: oh god

 Yishu: sorry

 me: 'jesus'

1:40 AM me: adding on to earlier: that richard yates / dakta fanning / amappy are all um, in flux in this 'rapidly changing society' makes them different from the ice mountain and shit which stay more or less the same throughout culture and time

1:41 AM Yishu: where is the ice mountain bit coming from

1:42 AM me: it's a generic image

  ok am i not making sense we can forget this

  talk more, bro, 500 lines

1:43 AM Yishu: i am looking at the other entries and feeling intimidated

  the judging eyes of the internet

 me: seriously? i thought we were doing pretty well

1:44 AM Yishu: srs

 me: can we talk about how everyone's saying it's insanely emotional

 Yishu: maybe i just have low self esteem

  is it

 me: / makes them feel insanely emotional

  i think you do

1:45 AM yes, did you feel insanely emotional, or even emotional while reading sfaa

 Yishu: i feel like, i am going to feel more detached from the characters because of their names

  than i might if they had normal names

  because it is so deliberately relevant, that you no longer feel like you are reading about real people

1:46 AM but i don't know if that was what tao was aiming for

 me: yeah

  'out of this world'

  dont think anyone knows what tao is aiming for

 Yishu: we should ask him

  'is this really what you want;

 me: hi what are you aiming for tao

  HAHA

  nice

 Yishu: 'is this really what you want'

1:47 AM me: is this really what you want

 Yishu: there was a guy at the bss concert who looked like jesus

 me: [echo]

 Yishu: this is relevant right

 me: aoki

  probably

  oh you should tell him

 Yishu: aoki looks nothing like jesus wtf

 me: hi tao yishu just came back from a broken social scene concert

  what if he hates bss omg

 Yishu: it was rad

 me: dude, the hair?

 Yishu: it's still rad

1:48 AM me: aoki's hair???

  jezus

 Yishu: jesus doesn't have pin straight hair

 me: bro you don't know jesus like i do

 Yishu: oh

  sorry

 me: is this relevent

 Yishu: hm

 me: since tao has a jesus-band

 Yishu: let's just keep going

 me: where are we going

 Yishu: tao when are you going to release your ep

1:49 AM me: yeah, damn, i hope he has another contest for free eps

  like sing 500 lines

  sorry was that a bad joke

 Yishu: it wasnt a joke i think

  i am unimpressed

1:50 AM me: sian

  we can just talk about tao now i guess

  he says we can shit on him

  / shit talk him / something

 Yishu: i would never do that

  oh

 me: i can't even get my shit out

  via bowel problems

 Yishu: bro

1:51 AM me: yes

 Yishu: this is going on the internet bro

 me: thats ok

  ok tao

  is tao a real person

  or a persona

 Yishu: i tend to think of him as a persona

  or like, an 'entity'

 me: there's like no way he's like this irl right?

  he goes to like parties and shit

  the fuck is an 'entity' man

1:52 AM Yishu: like, a thing

1:53 AM me: feel like we're all like striving, to survive and shit, all for nothing via meaninglessness, and tao's persona is his effort to recognise that but at the same time counter that. i guess no one is really that self conscious in real life that would be crazy. or they would be institutionalised

1:54 AM *by shit i mean 'stuff' not 'poop'

 Yishu: hahahahahahahhaha

1:55 AM me: 258 lines bro, gotta do better than that

1:56 AM Yishu: damn

  this is tough shit

 me: try harder

  just think of things and write

  you dont have to like engage me or anything

1:57 AM Yishu: but i don't have anything to say

  ok

  let's talk about sfaa

 me: will that be relevent though

  if he rejects this we'll just have another convo ok

 Yishu: um, think so

1:58 AM me: k sfaa, sup

 Yishu: i guess

 me: did you see his thing on gawker

  like recently, today was it or yesterday

 Yishu: i feel like i didn't really like sfaa until i read like the last sentence of it

  and it all made sense

 me: the trespassing in nyu's lib

  what was the last sentence

 Yishu: i skimmed through it

  somebody asked sam what he wanted to be when he was a kid

 me: i kind of don't have it, some bitch is holding on to it not reading it

 Yishu: and sam said marine biologist

1:59 AM me: oh

  mm and?

  idgi

 Yishu: because

  sam is not a marine biologist

 me: so it can be taken that he's failed

  or

  that

  shit has changed

  big time

 Yishu: and wanting to be a marine biologist when you are a kid is like the norm, or like the ideal

  and yeah, i don't know, i thought it was sad

 me: or is supposedly good

 Yishu: and it was also real

2:00 AM me: yes

 Yishu: i wanted to be a mermaid

 me: feel like we will all be like that

  except we dont have dreams well i dont

  bro

 Yishu: but it didn't work out

 me: you were set up for failure

 Yishu: i didn't know that

 me: at least you got to be another magical creature

  tao, yishu is a goblin not kidding

 Yishu: fuck u

2:01 AM me: :/

 Yishu: yes

 me: what

 Yishu: tao, luke calls :/ this face the taoface

 me: no, the taoface is :|

  seriously shupes get your shit together

 Yishu: tao, we wanted to do your face for our school's yearbook photo but we didn't in the end

  fuck u

 me: because i fell asleep

 Yishu: i'm trying

2:02 AM me: they made us lie on the floor and i fell asleep

 Yishu: that's great

 me: yishu smiled. fucker

 Yishu: smiling is normal

 me: can we get back to tao i dont think he cares ARE WE REALLY GONNA put all this on his hehehehehe.com omg

  feel afraid

 Yishu: sry

  no

 me: ok

2:03 AM Yishu: am 'chickening out'

 me: what?

  talk about tao, bro

 Yishu: taobro

 me: ok back to sfaa

 Yishu: yes well

 me: that thing with the sony earphones was in sfaa too right?

 Yishu: what was the point of reading the whole of sfaa if i didn't enjoy 80% of it

2:04 AM even though when i finished it i felt positively about it

 me: i thought all the shoplifting was made up. but apparently not via the gawker article

 Yishu: but it took kind of long for me to like it

 me: enjoyment is overrated i think

  i honestly feel completely neutral towards sfaa

  i like the cover though

 Yishu: yes he steals damn a lot of shit what

 me: and the weight and length and size of the book

2:05 AM Yishu: he is banned from wholefoods or somehting i think

 me: but i thought i read somewher he never got caught

 Yishu: i didn't like the size

  it was too small

 me: maybe not amappy

  seriously

  small is good

  re books

 Yishu: lol

 me: what, so you like your gigantic kant tomes

  are they even tomes though, or just essays

 Yishu: no but i like larger books

2:06 AM nicer to hold

 me: heavier also

 Yishu: i finished reading no exit today in about 40 minutes

 me: idk well my bag is kind of a4 sized

  are we going to talk about this now

 Yishu: no, it's not relevant

  just sayin'

 me: talk about it in relation to tao / ry / sfaa

  / cbt

2:07 AM my mom's been going for some cbt course i think

 Yishu: yeah i read your blog

 me: sbt feels hopeful

 Yishu: that's kind of

 me: oh damn

 Yishu: scary

  idk

 me: cbt*

  the mom?

 Yishu: yeah

 me: why

  she wants to like counsel people at church i think

  she's a church person she does shit at church

2:08 AM Yishu: oh

  so it's not for her

  that's fine

 me: hahaha no la

 Yishu: cbt is fine when it is not for you

 me: 'fine'

are you judging my mom

 Yishu: no

 me: huh. i think i need some cbt

  we all need some cbt

 Yishu: i'm just saying

 me: since everything is shit

 Yishu: cbt

  sounds very clinical

2:09 AM me: it is

 Yishu: i think therapy is a terrible word

  to say out loud, and the meaning

 me: terrible how

 Yishu: even though it is kind of the friend or root word of therapeutic right

2:10 AM dk, it just sounds strange to me and reminds me of the scene in donnie darko where donnie is hypnotized and he says weird shit

 me: HAHA what the fuck bro

  there was like, something sexual there right

2:11 AM in that hypnosis thing

 Yishu: he wanted to masturbate

  then the lady snapped him out of his trance before he could

2:12 AM me: did you like donnie darko, i thought it was weird and not very well done

  'lame' too i guess

  o m g http://caitypoops.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/a-gmail-chat-about-tao-lins-richard-yates/ has like 147 lines?

  WHATS GOING ON BRO

2:13 AM Yishu: what

  cheater

2:14 AM cos they are all relevant lines maybe

  we need to be like that

 me: but then http://pettyquarrel.blogspot.com/2010/07/tao-lin-conversation-time.html is 899 lines

 Yishu: we need to be 'on task'

  tao we are asians

  we are 'on task' people

 me: we are

  how ah

  are we done

2:15 AM Yishu: is this really what you want

  realising only now the massive potential of that song

 me: hahahahaha

  massive potential should be a band

  like massive attack

  but metal

 Yishu: yeah right

  i was thinking that

 me: they would sing about (scream about) action potential in neurons

 Yishu: no, why metal

2:16 AM fuck u

 me: because metal sucks

 Yishu: i have no idea what neurons are

 me: what the fuck?

 Yishu: ok la

  i do

 me: your brain is made of neurons i think

 Yishu: yes

 me: faggot

 Yishu: that's the extent of my knowledge on neurons

 me: no actually your brain is made of shit

  hm :/

 Yishu: that was a low blow

  i felt nothing

2:17 AM me: that was a good one

 Yishu: im kind of really tied

  tired

  how many lines are we now

 me: me too

2:18 AM 446 if we take everything

  say a bit more about tao and his stuff? i think we've done more than any of those other people tbh

  we're crazy

 Yishu: lets keep going for a bit more

 me: crazy asians

  where are we going

  are we going on a journey

 Yishu: yes

  no

2:19 AM me: sian

 Yishu: no, we're stuck here

  my head hurts

  oh

 me: must be all the bss

 Yishu: let's talk about his unableham

  and his metaham

 me: oh mg

 Yishu: is that relevant

 me: tao i love your unableham

  yes continue

 Yishu: i do too

  really

  i felt a strong connection towards it

 me: yishu says our lit teacher is turning us all into unablehams

2:20 AM Yishu: i smiled at it knowingly

  it is true

2:21 AM tao lin just tweeted: email from mom said 'angry and irritating facial expression' & '[her dog] tried to play with [a pig], but that pig was not interested'

  idgi

2:22 AM me: today dragonman gave us a passage excerpt from proof it was the scene right after catherine revealed that she wrote the proof but this scene was earlier in time, when hal brought his dissertation or whatever over to robert and near the end of the scene 'catherine and hal have a moment' or something like that then 'hal wavers', and me being unableham thought of how this could like 'parallel' how later in the story hal 'wavers' again by not believing catherine

  hahaha pigs are funny

2:23 AM Yishu: i can't remember anything about proof now

  bad lit student

 me: you are like crippleham

 Yishu: tao do a cripple ham next

 me: cripplehams are crippled by existential despair

2:24 AM they have sadness ratings of over 50% which means they are non-functional

 Yishu: i can imagine the ham now

  with a little tear

2:25 AM me: no, double tear :"(

 Yishu: thats mine

 me: or it could be your face

  on a ham

 Yishu: damn

 me: are we done

 Yishu: are we

 me: 490

  but we won't even use everything right

2:26 AM how

 Yishu: i dont think he is going to count

  we can play cheat or something

 me: dont know man

  how will we do that

 Yishu: just submit what we have

  he isn't going to read it all

 me: oh mm when you copy it over to your blog my long long lines will become more lines

 Yishu: i hope he reads the bit about the crippleham though

 me: hahaha

  yes

  we will bold it

2:30 AM Yishu: psh

  ok bro i am really tire

  tired

  need to study

 me: fuck

  thats true

 Yishu: i mean, sleep now, study tomorrow

 me: its 230

  god damn

  yeah

  good night

  fucking tao

 Yishu: night

  haha

  put that in

 me: yeah